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		<title>Can Brands Be Social?  Shel Israel says &#8220;No.&#8221;</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 01:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wiley author Shel Israel has started an interesting conversation with Jeremiah Owyang about wither or not &#8220;brands&#8221; can be social.  Jeremiah asked if brands should build their own networks, or use existing social nets.  Shel says brands can not be social, only people can.  I&#8217;m not so sure I completely agree &#8211; yet.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img src="http://ckwebb.com/images/wrox.jpg" alt="Wrox logo" align="left" border="0" height="99" hspace="10" vspace="10" width="104" />Wiley <a href="http://chrisandjennywebb.smugmug.com/photos/233767578-M.jpg">author </a>Shel Israel has started <a href="http://redcouch.typepad.com/weblog/2007/12/can-brands-be-s.html">an interesting conversation</a> with Jeremiah Owyang about wither or not &#8220;brands&#8221; can be social.  Jeremiah asked <a href="http://www.web-strategist.com/blog/2007/12/16/should-brands-join-or-build-social-networks/">if brands should build their own networks</a>, or use existing social nets.  Shel says brands can not be social, only people can.  I&#8217;m not so sure I completely agree &#8211; yet.</p>
<p>As I have written before, <a href="http://ckwebb.com/publishing/my-twitter-alter-ego-and-the-question-of-brand-in-social-applications/">I keep 2 Twitter identities</a>, one of which is one of our brands, Wrox.  The identities are distinctly different, but both &#8220;me&#8221; &#8211; <a href="http://twitter.com/chriswebb">@chriswebb</a> is Chris Webb, editor who talks about publishing, social applications and their occasional intersection.  <a href="http://twitter.com/wrox">@wrox</a> is still Chris Webb, editor, but the conversation focuses on programming, web development, .NET and other topics of interest to <a href="http://wrox.com">Wrox</a> readers.</p>
<p>Why keep them separate?  Well, followers of @wrox may not care at all about what @chriswebb has to say about social media and publishing in general, while @chriswebb followers probably are not interested in the latest ASP.NET MVC release.  It is not obvious to @wrox followers that it is Chris Webb behind the username (although I don&#8217;t really hide that fact,) and I don&#8217;t think they care.  To them it&#8217;s just Wrox &#8211; a source of programming books and online content.</p>
<p>I touched on this subject briefly via Twitter earlier today, and got an intersting comment from a follower of both @wrox and @chriswebb:</p>
<blockquote><p><span class="entry-title entry-content">@wrox is fundamentally different than, say, @mcdonalds or @tylenol</span><br />
<span class="entry-title entry-content">@wrox has the ability to gather a community (in this case developers)  into one, big conversation. it&#8217;s a great experiment.</span></p></blockquote>
<p><span class="entry-title entry-content"> </span></p>
<p>But back to Shel&#8217;s point &#8211; is Wrox being social or is it all just Chris Webb?  Is part of what defines the Wrox brand already social?  What do you think?</p>
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		<title>Twitter is a Conversation Ecosystem</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 19:50:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Readers of this blog know that I am part of a small group who are trying to push the edges of our company and are working on some social application experiments.  Twitter is one of those experiments, and I keep a personal stream as well as one for our Wrox imprint.
An early adopter of [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img src="http://ckwebb.com/images/dewdrop.jpg" border="0" alt="Ecosystem in a dewdrop" hspace="10" vspace="10" width="200" height="200" align="left" />Readers of this blog know that I am part of a small group who are trying to push the edges of our company and are working on some social application experiments.  Twitter is one of those experiments, and I keep a <a href="http://twitter.com/chriswebb">personal stream</a> as well as one for our <a href="http://twitter.com/wrox">Wrox imprint</a>.</p>
<p>An early adopter of Twitter, I have struggled with communicating the value of tools like it for my organization &#8211; as have many others I am sure.  Today I picked up on three great posts in this theme (via <a href="http://twitter.com/jowyang">@jowyang</a> on Twitter, no doubt.)</p>
<p>David Armano, VP of Experience Design with <a href="http://www.criticalmass.com/">Critical Mass</a>, says Twitter is a <a href="http://darmano.typepad.com/logic_emotion/2007/12/why-is-twitter.html">Conversation Ecosystem</a>, and provides some great visuals that help to drive the point home.</p>
<blockquote><p>Explaining Twitter is an act in futility unless the person you explain it to understands the intricacies of social networks (saying conversation ecosystem is a bit abstract to someone not participating in online conversations).</p></blockquote>
<p>And that&#8217;s really the rub, isn&#8217;t it?  Getting companies immersed in &#8220;classic&#8221; models to take the time to understand the new models and find value,potential, and connection.</p>
<p>Forrester Senior Analyst Jeremiah Owyang says the <a href="http://www.web-strategist.com/blog/2007/12/11/some-conversations-have-shifted-to-twitter"><em>Fabric becomes stronger as the Threads connect</em></a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>If you’re in the tech industry, and in marketing, you should be paying attention to what’s happening on twitter.</p></blockquote>
<p>Jeremiah also brings up the &#8220;what you had for lunch&#8221; argument that is often the first response to the value of tools like Twitter.  (And by the way, Twitter is just one tool &#8211; my point stands for many others as well.) I simply reject this argument now, as there are some <a href="http://www.davidsterry.com/tweetscan/index.php?s=wrox">great tools</a> to help reduce the noise and focus on conversations that are applicable.</p>
<p>Forrester&#8217;s Peter Kim has published <a href="http://www.forrester.com/Marketing/Campaign2/1,6538,1160,00.html">a report on Twitter</a> (registration required) that speaks to the current demographics of Twitter users, and their reactions to branding, advertising, as well as a short list of companies like Dell, JetBlue and Carnival Cruise Lines and how they are using the tool as part of their online strategy.</p>
<blockquote><p>Six percent of online US adults use Twitter at least monthly or more frequently. Twitter users are, on average, 78% male and 31 years old, and they draw an annual income of $78,000. In comparison, members of the online US population are, on average, 49% male and 43 years old, and they draw an annual income of $68,000.</p></blockquote>
<p>Is your company using tools like Twitter as part of its online strategy?</p>
<p>(Photo credit <a href="http://flickr.com/photos/ecstaticist/">ecstaticist</a>)</p>
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